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    Thumbs up Navy declassifies a previously unknown stealth fighter

    Here's a link to the pics! Slick looking plane, much better looking than the A-12 would have been...
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    Ahem! Although these shots originally appeared on a US Navy web page (news.navy.mil), they're shots of a prop in an upcoming movie, not a real plane. The fictional plane is the Talon and will feature in the movie Stealth, flown by Jessica Biel. The shots have expired on the original navy web page. The footage was shot on the Nimitz class CVN-72 USS Abraham Lincoln.

    Cross-reference the pilot's name in image 3 with the IMDB link below. That's Ms. Biel (Flashdance) in the cockpit.

    'Course, they do reveal this on page 4, but at first it looks like they've been fished in (cue Wayne's World music..).

    IMDB entry: http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0382992
    Discussion at Starship Modeler: http://www.starshipmodeler.net/cgi-b...ic.php?t=17642
    Shot of filming miniature: http://www.poweredarmor.com/talon_maquette.jpg

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    I hope you have read page 4 ...























    I don't want to spoil anything.


    If they have to make a movie about a stealth aircraft, why not just use an existing plane type, or at least come up with a design that looks like it might be able to get off the ground.
    I don't believe anything with a nose like that could do that.

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    Somebody should PM Aslan about these photos. They might be exactly what he was looking for in a vehicle for his PCs. Maybe I will...


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    Originally posted by Ergi
    If they have to make a movie about a stealth aircraft, why not just use an existing plane type, or at least come up with a design that looks like it might be able to get off the ground.
    I don't believe anything with a nose like that could do that.
    Honestly, if you have the proper avionics, you could probably get that thing off the ground. Heck, the F-117 is basically a lawn dart without her avionics suite. I think the B-2 is the same way.
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    Originally posted by Owen E Oulton
    Ahem!

    Cross-reference the pilot's name in image 3 with the IMDB link below. That's Ms. Biel (Flashdance) in the cockpit.
    Um...

    Wrong Biel. Jennifer Biel starred in Flashdance in the 80's. Jessica Biel starred in WB's 7th Heaven. No relation nor connection, AFAIK.

    Jessica -- as shown in image 3 -- will be starring in the movie, Stealth, as well as the third "Daywalker" film, Blade: Trinity.

    Other than that, everything else is correct.
    Anyhoo, just some random thoughts...

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    Originally posted by REG
    Jessica -- as shown in image 3 -- will be starring in the movie, Stealth, as well as the third "Daywalker" film, Blade: Trinity.

    Who does she play in Trinity?

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    Talking

    Yes, I saw the 4th page. Didn't want to spoil the joke by having a bunch of 's all over the post.
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    Originally posted by Phantom
    Who does she play in Trinity?
    I thought I heard something in the preview that said she was Whistler's daughter. Dunno for sure.


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    I thought something looked like BS.

    She's a big bird, even if she could have flown. Much like the F-111. And we know how short of a history they spent on the decks of our CVNs. Furthermore, there is no rear visual sightlines on this aircraft. A definate no, no in design.

    To bad though that the Super Tomcat variant didn't work out.

    However, I can understand why they went for the F/A-18E/Fs. The have a much longer operational range over the C/Ds and provide a decent intercepter and attack fighter, a better attack fighter infact then the F-14Bs could have ever been.

    However, in the Fleet Interceptor role . . . E/Fs lack the super long range radar, and the AIM-54s that only a F-14 could carry. But I guess at 1/2 Million dollars a shot . . . and the less expensive AMRAAM being capable of 40 miles max range . . . and with new visual confirmation rules of engagement . . . and the AEGIS systems now being able to combat cruise missile barrages . . . the need to intercept something as far out as the F-14 did, as it was designed, isn't as important.

    Yet, if I was a task force commander, I would much rather have something blow a plane out of the sky long before they come into range, then to have to fire my Standards at it.

    I wonder if a ALRAAM could be designed efficiently.

    Oh, and has anyone seen the Wall Street Journal Article in it's Friday papaer regarding Military Spending of Communist China?

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    Then there was the lack of a HUD in the close-up of the cockpit... and the black Airforce stealth paintjob vs. the grey the Navy favors. They don't go for that "only flys at night" routine. Limited deck & hanger space & all that... Now, if you want to see something nifty, here is a proposed design for the Navy's Common Support Aircraft from a compitition between engineering departments. The assorted versions of the CSA are supposed to replace the S-3, ES-3, E-2, & C-2 aircraft in the next 10 years or so.
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    They've been planning that bird since like 97. I doubt it'll get off the ground . . . there isn't the congressional support for ASW & EW aircraft. Which there should be.

    However, I do understand to replace the venerable EA-6B they are looking at an E/A-18http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...raft/f-18g.htm. And for the P-3Bs they are goingto used a modified 737-800http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...rcraft/mma.htm.

    The only problem with the E/A-18 is the amount of time it could loiter onsite.

    However, I wonder what'll happen with the current F/A-18C/Ds. Are they going to sold to foreign friendly militaries?
    Cause I understand that the Canadians are looking to replace their CA-18A/Bs. And that there are several other countries look for Fighter modernization.

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    Originally posted by JALU3
    They've been planning that bird since like 97. I doubt it'll get off the ground . . . there isn't the congressional support for ASW & EW aircraft. Which there should be.

    However, I do understand to replace the venerable EA-6B they are looking at an E/A-18http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...raft/f-18g.htm. And for the P-3Bs they are goingto used a modified 737-800http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...rcraft/mma.htm.

    The only problem with the E/A-18 is the amount of time it could loiter onsite.

    However, I wonder what'll happen with the current F/A-18C/Ds. Are they going to sold to foreign friendly militaries?
    Cause I understand that the Canadians are looking to replace their CA-18A/Bs. And that there are several other countries look for Fighter modernization.
    Canada will likely replace their -C/Ds with F-35 Joint Strike Fighters given that they are a partner nation on that program.

    There's also talk of using the space normally taken up by the lift fan in the STOVL F-35 to either make it an EA-6B replacement or to mount a, I kid you not, laser.

    Last, I have it on good authority from a friend who used to maintain -14s that the easiest way to defeat an -18 is to fly around until it runs out of gas and then jump it. It's range just isn't as good.

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    Anybody remember when the Stealth Fighter looked like this?
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    Originally posted by ComaBoy


    Last, I have it on good authority from a friend who used to maintain -14s that the easiest way to defeat an -18 is to fly around until it runs out of gas and then jump it. It's range just isn't as good.
    Unfortunatly true, from my understanding the E/Fs have raised their combat radias out to ~600 miles. However, this pales in comparison the the F-14 which, if I remember correctly is more then double that radias.

    Has anyone played jane's fleet commander? If so I'm sure you've experienced this.

    It seems that without in air refueling, which is now done with the KA-18C/D, rather then the venerable KA-6B (which could carry more fuel overall), the CAW combat radias have been reduced significantly incomparison to that of the cold wars F-14 & A-6 combination.

    But I suppose that makes sense as the F/A-18 was only suppost to replace the A-8 Corsairs in capability.

    I wonder if strategic planners considered that when placing the design benchmarks to the contractors.

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